Curse

Stockholm · Mar 12, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

. I just want to be able to have my pvp monk beautiful, I mean you can have your pve char rank cant you? So it would be fair.

That is the price you pay for the convinienc of being able to re-roll a PvP charr at will with out lossing anything.

Shai Lee · Mar 12, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

The thing is, neither is denied to us. We made a choice of our character and how we wished to play the game. When we created our respective characters, we knew the things we would have and have to give up. In making a pve character, I gave up immediate access to all skills I've already unlocked. In you creating a pvp character you knew the things you would have immediate access to and the things that you would not.

My focus is more for those players that made the conscious decision to play the game fully as a pve/pvp player. They made the decision to give up nothing, but to attempt to play the game on a character to their fullest. I currently gave up on my desire to get a /rank animal. That is my decision and I do not expect those /rank animals available to pvp'ers to be somehow attainable to a pve'er. PvP'ers put in a specific type of time and energy to get the /rank animals. Just as PvE'ers put in a specific type of time and energy to get certain titles and/or armors. If suddenly the /ranks that were available to pvp'ers was then available to pve'ers, wouldn't that demean the effort that they placed by choosing a specific type of game-play to obtain them? Just as if titles or certain armors with requirements, were to be obtained by pvpers, it also demeans the manner in which they had to go through to obtain that title/armor. Those rare players that enjoy and have put in the time and energy to play Guild Wars as an equal pve/pvp player are the ones that would be put out the most. Their manner of play is also demeaned. I hope that this is something that our community can consider, since it doesn't come up in topic often, to also place oneself in the shoes of such a player.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

If I reroll a pvp character I lose anything on it with rp.. thats a big price, my pvp monk is as permanent as my pve fow warrior, kinda obvious.

Since when do monks mash 1 2 3 4, your post makes no sense and I sense your a mad pver. Your post got deleted for a reason.. please do not repost.

Perhaps the whole pve/pvp things is right but I'd be willing to put in double the effort of chaos gloves just to have it on my pvp char, I would like that option available to me just like you can get the rank if you put in the energy, you can HA, I cannot farm.. at least not with that character.

Tarun · Mar 12, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Well, I can PvP with any of my PvE characters and I've put time and effort into them all. They could run any build and do pretty much anything I'd like, plus they can go everywhere. There are no limits.

Shai Lee · Mar 12, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Double effort already exists, it's a player that plays pve/pvp equally and has created such a character for that purpose.

Stockholm · Mar 12, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

I would like that option available to me just like you can get the rank if you put in the energy, you can HA, I cannot farm.. at least not with that character.

You have that option, but not on a PvP only charr, unless you only have the PvP Access Kit.

AshenX · Mar 12, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

While I agree with the post above me there is still the fact that it is not convenient. I can have a pve character.. ok so what happens when i need to change builds and runes? I should have 2 chaos gloves... I just feel for versatility and ease of use it should be available to pvp players, because there is no reason for it not to be except the several pvers who feel jealous and neglected... not the case at all? You guys get a lot of the updates that better the game.. pvp just gets skill nerfs which may affect you but doesnt destroy your builds? ... stop whining please.

No offense Sir/Madame but it would be no more convenient for a PVE player to have to have 2 sets of Chaos gloves in order to accomodate various builds than it would be for you. I do not run the same build all of the time in PVP nor do I in PVE. I am not whining, I do not feel neglected, and I am not jealous- But the item you are asking for was designed for PVE players as a reward for effort and as a sign of accomplisment.
Both PVE and PVP have rewards exclusive to their preferred style of play. In the middle ground is the PVE character used for PVP as well. Such a character has the option to pursue both sets of accomplishements and rewards. It is not easy to do both, but having both should not be cheapened by being made easy.
I understand your desire for a very nice looking set of gloves but disagree with the idea that someone should be able to get an item without doing what everyone else has to do to get it. I would love to have a req 8 Silverwing Recurve bow but am not willing to put in the time and effort needed to get either the gold to buy one or to farm it myself. I do love AB on the other hand but am not asking for such an item to be dropped in AB for me.
Please do not construe my arguments as being overly critical but there are already options for you to get what you desire. You are not asking to be able to have Chaos gloves for use in PVP you are asking to be allowed to have them without going through what everyone else (PVE or PVP preferring) has to in order to have this item made available.
My last point in response to your posts is to point out that as much as you keep referring to PVE jealousy it is you that are expressing covetous desires. Someone else has something that you want and you are insulting those who dont agree that you should have it without doing the same things to get it that they have. Respectfully Sir/Madame I must submit that it is you who are expressing jealousy.

RiceCream · Mar 12, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

/sortakindasigned

on the opposite end, there are RP only skins... should pve'ers have access to these skins?

Stockholm · Mar 12, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by RiceCream

/sortakindasigned

on the opposite end, there are RP only skins... should pve'ers have access to these skins?

Of course not, not without earning the RP,

end of sarcasm

Sirius-NZ · Mar 12, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

The point of the PvE equipment is as a reward for taking the time to play through a PvE character. It takes time to get level 20 and good equipment for those, whereas it takes all of 5 minutes at most for the PvP equivalent.

So ... no, that would kind of take away the point of having PvE characters. (Unless you were one of the people who never played both.)

Divine Slaya · Mar 13, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

whereas it takes all of 5 minutes at most for the PvP equivalent.

No, you are wrong. First you have to get enough reward points in order to unlock fancy armor, it isn't just "given" to pvpers. Once you unlock the specfic tier level of armor you are able finally able to purchase the armor which also costs many reward points. The time it takes to obtain enough reward points to get fancy armor and exotic weapons takes much longer than I think you realize.

I Angra I · Mar 13, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

I'd like to see the people saying that it would be super easy to get chaos gloves from RPs actually try to attempt something like that. It really does take a long time and effort to get to the level of equipment where they would be placed at.

That being said, I really don't have a preference either way personally. Most of the classes I play in GvG I play on PvE characters I've had for a long time now anyway, so it really wouldn't affect me. I wouldn't be opposed to the idea though, so long as they make it on a high tier of PvP armor to make it take awhile to get.

kerpall · Mar 13, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

/signed
I play pve mostly, and i admit the only RP i get are from predictions >_<.
Although thats not the point, point is us PvE ers have access to waay more things than pvp-only chars.

PvE : Chaos gloves, Icy ones, Rocky ones, Magma ones, Various glasses, etc
PvP: a silly /rank emote, and a couple re-named "PvP-only" skins?

I think that for the effort they put into guildwars, they should atleast have access to whatever item they want (granted it costs them "skill" for RP, and not "time" for cash).

Any PvPer who has a set of high-end 15k armour earned through reward points, has worked just as hard, as any of us PvE ers to get their armour.

Chaos gloves , magma gloves, etc doesnt give them an edge over us, so why not?

Bonhart · Mar 13, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

Before anybody will write one more thing about "Chaos Gloves" I have to let you know that it was just an example. I wanted all GWEN items such like blindfold or Magmas to be able to get on pvp. At least we also bought GWEN and IMO we should have oportunity to get what we paid for in the way we choose... (pve OR pvp)

With all respect to hardcore mad PVE-ers you are kinda envious... Anywys remember that skins for RP are not unlocked to account or even 1 character. We can just turn one part of pvp armor or weapon into skin we paid for. If we delete character we lose everything... modern pvp characters are permantent.

Arduin · Mar 13, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

Whether we sign or not, Chaos Gloves are bound to get available for PvP. PvP already has access to the most 'elite' armor skin of PvE: Obsidian Armor, so it's just a matter of time before Anet implements the EotN armors and armor pieces.

Faer · Mar 13, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Bickering, unreasonable discussion, uninformed opinions labeled as hard fact, and "my part of the game is screwed up by your part of the game" posts are to stop. Further such posts will be deleted without notice. If your post is in the future, or has been in the past, deleted, don't repost it, because it was deleted for a reason. Take some time to consider why your post would have been removed, and continue discussing the topic when you have come to terms and will comply with the demands of the Nazi moderators whom you all know and hate.

(No, really - cut it out; we're discussing Chaos Gloves in exchange for for RP, not balance changes messing up PvE, and other spiteful topics)

Thank you, and good day.

The Way Out · Mar 13, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Bickering and uninformed opinions aside, PvP has a tremendous impact on PvE, and PvE has little impact on PvP. Those are facts, not opinions. It sucks that the PvP community (in general), have such a biased opinion of PvE players. I just find it funny that PvP players want such a flashy (ebayer) item like chaos gloves.
I also find it unfair that PvP players can just reroll a max character, have every skill and item accessible to them, and then be given all the items that PvE characters have to grind endlessly to get. Now they can also get armor and things that PvE player have to save gold and materials to buy. Here is x trp and I can have chaos gloves.

IMHO, introduce new material and armor exclusive to PvP players before you go and allow them to have things that PvE players have to time-grind to get. That is a tad unfair. There is a whole process that the PvP community already skips when it comes to characters. Granting them more of the PvE communities things is like a slap in the face.

I am not a PvP hater. They should be given their share of armor and weapon skins, however, I think the two should be seperated a little more. Right now, anet caters to the PvP players.

HuntMaster Avatar · Mar 13, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

As long as you allow PvE players to get a PvE equivalent of /rank emotes, I'm all for it...

x2 /signed for pve fame.

milan · Mar 13, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

I agree with allowing pvp characters the other armour items available to PvE players. I probably wouldn't have previous to the Zaishen chest but now that tournament points have a dual use I don't see a problem.

I also feel that once tp's are used on an item it should be unlocked for all PvP characters of that profession.

i.e. unlock chaos gloves using a pvp monk, anytime a PvP monk is rolled on that account, they should have access to the chaos gloves.

Arcain · Mar 13, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

I have chaos gloves in pvp, because I spent the time to earn them in PVE. I understand why you want them for pvp only chars, but honestly it isn't hard to get a PVE char to pvp spec.